Crandall Canyon – What to do next? (12th/13th day)

brass-tag.jpgRescuers aren’t sure what to do next.

Doesn’t that just say it all…..

From the SLC Tribune = MINE RESCUE UPDATE: Fourth bore hole finished, crews preparing to drop in camera

So the fourth bore hole is finished. Down goes the microphone, down 1600 feet. They heard nothing.

Stickler said a special video camera would be lowered into the bore hole late Saturday night or early Sunday morning in hopes of seeing some evidence of life below.
But if that, too, fails to turn of the missing miners, plans are already in place for a fifth bore hole.

But ya know, just how far is 1600 feet? The usual unit has been the comparison of a football field – 360 feet or approximately 4.5 football fields. There are no football fields around here back-to-back. There are telephone poles. The average distance between poles is 150-feet. Travel along a road past 10 telephone/utility poles. That’s how far down they’ve had to drill. Not only that, Gary Tuchman the other night on CNN said when Uncle Miner-Bob took CNN on a tour of his mine, he mentioned something about ‘riding in 3 miles.’ That’s sickening to me, but I’m claustrophobic – and, I also don’t know if Tuchman is accurate in his statement of ‘riding in 3 miles.’

Deseret Morning News: Here’s another man that needs to be shut down, Orrin Hatch.

Speaking to reporters on Friday, Sen. Orrin Hatch, R-Utah, praised Murray’s dedication.

“This man has suffered a lot,” Hatch said. “He’s suffering because of these accidents, these people working for him. I have a lot of respect for him.”

Hmm.

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7 Responses

  1. hey LM — i think the three mile comment
    is accurate, and here’s why. coal is mined
    on a diagonal — that is, the seams of coal
    usually run on a 25 to 45 degree angle,
    relative to the surface. so, think of the
    ride “in” as one leg of a triangle. the long
    diagonal leg of a right triangle. . .

    this is unlike hard-rock mining, where one
    drops straight-down, pumb and true, in a shaft
    often over a mile and a half. no, in coal mining,
    the approach to the seam is on the angle of
    the seam itself, mining out the coal as one heads
    generally down-hill. that long leg of the triangle,
    the main access drift, could easily run three
    miles, on a 30 degree down-slope, to reach
    a veritcal depth of 1,600 feet (think of the
    1,600 feet as being the right angle side of
    the triangle — the one that points “up” on
    your page, toward the surface — and imagine
    the surface as flat — making the right angle
    bend). . . see below — white area is coal seam,
    dots are surrounding mountain, and miners
    are at the bottom of the page, on the right.

    the mine opening is at the top, far, left:

    [s u r f a c e]:
    ._______________________________| 10,000 ft.
    ….` `……………………. |
    ………. ` `……………… |
    ……………. ` `………….. |
    ……………………` c o a l `…………. |
    ………………………. ` `……… |
    3 miles, on a diagonal` `…… |
    …………………………………….` `.|
    …………………………………………..` |
    …………………………………………………` |
    ……………………………………………………` | 1,600 feet down
    :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::miners>`|

    so, the “ride in” is a
    lot longer than
    the actual vertical drop. . .

    the bore holes would be on the
    right part of the above page. . .

    ps: nice header-graphic! he he!

  2. well — that ascii graphic
    got goofed up. i’ll post a
    small image in jpg format
    on mine, and link it here.

    p e a c e

  3. ps: nice header-graphic! he he!

    Yeah – some old timey hard rock miner sent it me 😉

    We dug out slides we’d taken while living in Kentucky. I was stationed at Ft. Campbell (next to Muhlenberg County) for several months, as well as worked at the hospital in Mayfield while Mike was stationed at Ft. Knox. The business with Harlan County had happened about a year before we got there, but we traveled extensively thruout Kentucky, Virginia, W.VA, checking stuff out. It was appalling & sickening.

    I just wrote a letter (email) to Robert Byrd asking him NOT to release his hold on Richard Stickler’s appointment. Stickler’s appointment (recess) ends in Dec. 2007.

  4. Ya know, I think I understand. You’re going from the mouth (A), down at an angle (B), until you reach ‘paydirt’ (C). So from A => C is 3 miles, but depth-wise it’s 1600 or more feet. Do I have it correct?

    A…….

    ……………….B

    ………………………………………………………….C

  5. And nolo – don’t you hang out at firedoglake from time to time?

  6. wow — so much here:

    (1) yes i do appear occasionally
    at f.d.l. . .

    (2) yes, you have a.b.c. just right.

    (3) i added a more complete, phot-
    schematic to my post on this, just
    to make it easier to talk about. it
    is NOT the actual crandall canyon
    configuration, though, just an example.

    the actual jpg:

    or see the post where my badge is, at the very bottom.

  7. wow — a lot here to cover!:

    (1) yes — i do appear occasionally
    at fiedoglake. . .

    (2) you have a to b to c exactly right.

    (3) i added an example schematic — not
    an actual rendering of the crandall canyon
    mine, mind you, but i included a photo of
    a coal seam, the idea of using bore holes,
    and the location of the main mine portal,
    from which all trams run three miles downhill
    into the mine. . . it is full color, at the bottom
    of my post on crandall canyon — where the
    brass fist appeared. . . feel free to use/repost
    it, if you find it helpful. it seems wordpress won’t
    accept my direct links to it.

    (4) so many years of history here. . . wow. but
    oh, yes, i do agree about stickler.

    p e a c e

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